Shataina ([info]dragonladyflame) wrote,
@ 2006-12-10 09:20:00
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Current mood: awake
Current music:Garbage -- "Shut Your Mouth"

are you good people, bad people? guess it doesn't matter, people ....
I will be in New York from December 26th to January 6th. A couple of those days are earmarked for [info]foxfour, and some of course for my parents, but if you're around there, we should hang out.

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Sudden Poll! Have you had carpal tunnel syndrome, or do you feel nerve damage in your arms and hands?
(vague attempt at control questions: how old are you, and what's your profession?)

Lately I've been feeling definite nerve damage all down my arms, to the elbows. I will be taking Steps (I intend to switch to the Dvorak keyset, for instance, and do my level best to watch my posture), and if you can recommend any such Steps, I'd appreciate it. I have a doctor's appointment soon to hopefully get a referral and then some "official" advice, but with my friend set, I bet I know a lot of people who're already dealing with this.

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Monogamy / Polyamory as Kink!

A while back I wrote a post about polyamory as a sexual orientation that drew some very perceptive comments. [info]eisa in particular made some really good notes about why it's dangerous to set the precedent of thinking about poly as a sexual orientation (and indeed, the dangers of our societal conception of sexual orientations in general).

Anyway, a conversation I had at a party a couple nights ago -- one of my friends saying how utterly bewildered he is by one of my boyfriend's weird monogamous tendencies, and me saying, "Maybe this'll be easier if you just consider monogamy a kink" -- makes me think that really, it will be easier if I say that to people I talk to about this. I agree that there are inherent issues with defining these things as unchangeable orientations. But considering that pretty much everyone I know sees "kinks" as acceptable and seems to believe that it just doesn't matter whether they're chosen or not, they're still acceptable, I think it'll actually be useful for me to throw down this card from now on.

For instance:

Polyamorous person: I don't get it. How can he possibly be so unreasonably jealous about his mate's obvious, but harmless, attraction to another man?
Me: It's a kink.

Monogamous person: I don't get it. Why do my poly friends think their crazy-ass relationships can work out when I've seen so much spectacular bad fallout?
Me: It's a kink.

It wouldn't work with people who didn't think kink was fine, but I suspect that it will help in the conversations that I tend to have, and it might help those of my friends who are still wrapping their heads around these things.

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Bookstore Speculations

There's an inherent contradiction in the way we do things at Bookstore Y. The books there are priced mainly from Internet prices, under the assumption that those prices represent what the world is generally willing to pay for a given book. In fact, we often significantly undercut those prices. Which is fine, if you assume that everyone who looks at a given book is seeking that book, specifically. But the thing is that we not only don't have a full inventory (not even close to a full inventory) -- and therefore can't necessarily tell people if we do have a certain book or not -- but we also discourage people from looking for a certain book, because we're a "browsing" kind of store. Unfortunately, people who're just browsing through a shelf and come upon a book they think they might want usually aren't pleased if they find that the book is valuable and we're selling it at a bargain price of "high".

I mean, hey, I'm just a random employee, what do I know. But this contradiction bugs me, because I feel like it makes the store inefficient. Either we should have a super-duper complete inventory and bill ourselves as the kind of place where you might find that one book you've been looking for, or we should price books based more on how much a vaguely interested person is going to want to pay for them than a person seeking that book, specifically. This way, people come in and are told that not only are we unlikely to have the book they really want, but we're likely to charge as if every book we have is the book they want.

The current model seems to work surprisingly well, though, so maybe I'm imagining problems. A dude came in Friday who was really excited that we happened to have a limited run full-colour German book on guns from World War II; he was thrilled with our price. Plus, a fair amount of the fraction of our stock we do inventory sells on the Internet, to people also thrilled to get that bargain. I guess people come to used bookstores looking for obscure treasures a lot, so our strategy isn't bad, and teh Intarweb does help. It's just sort of weird getting used to this after Bookstore X, whose price lookups seem to make very little difference to what 95% of its books cost, and which gets lots of excited generalists who buy tons of $5-10 books about topics they'd never get into if they didn't happen to be in a big ol' dilettante-y place.

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Delicious Advertising




(I don't get why this one's called the Escape Artist; doesn't seem very escapey to me.)

I read a Wired article recently about how current advertising is doomed and the future of advertising depends on finding ways to insert ads in YouTube streams, and the like. I'm not sure about this. In fact, I'm starting to suspect that the future of advertising will be radically different from its current incarnation, in that it will no longer involve as many ads placed in areas where people will see them while doing something else. For instance, commercials have always been basically a new incarnation of text ads in newspapers, which were just put there hoping people would spot them while reading the news, right?

With a participatory, user-controlled medium like the Internet, that's a hard model to keep. Popup ads are aggressive enough, for instance, to still catch our attention ... but they've only encouraged people to design popup-blockers. So what I think is going to happen to advertising -- and this is the sort of thing I'd start a company to do, if I were, you know, into that -- is that it's going to start depending on making adverts that are intrinsically interesting, like the above quiz. Advertising icons are already kind of ends in themselves; isn't there merchandise and stuff for the GEICO Gecko? Advertising companies will -- or should -- start designing ads that appeal on their own power, because they're just so damn clever or witty or pretty that people want to see them. Maybe ads will even start getting respect as an art form, after a while. Advertising corporations will make their own movies! Commercial artists will no longer be selling our their morals! It'll be cool.

PS. After my last entry, I did spend another few minutes with that book (sue me), and found:

"Escape Literature"
Anthony Hecht

Higgledy-piggledy
Baron von Munchausen
Hot for hyperbole
Said, "Listen, babe,

"What's with this
nebishe
Verisimilitude?
Give me the Burroughs Boys,
William and Abe!"


Apparently Munchausen thought Abe Burrows and William Burroughs spelled their surnames the same way, as he was unfamiliar with English. I love this show.


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[info]anotherthink
2006-12-10 04:52 pm UTC (link)
I like thinking of poly/mono as one of many continua describing sexual orientation (though not necessarily behavior!).

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Sure, and that's useful from a theoretical perspective, but it's not useful from a "Jesus Christ, why are people like this?" approach. Like ... it's a good way to think of it overall, but it doesn't actually make people understand or tolerate these behaviours any better. See what I mean?

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Various and sundry.
[info]jadasc
2006-12-10 05:11 pm UTC (link)
1. New York is relatively easy for me to get to, if you've got some time to spare. It would be cool to see you.

2. I do tend to think of polyamory as a sexual orientation, but that's because I tend to see sexual orientation as more like religion than like race, if that makes any sense to you.

3. I like the "kink" analogy to a point, but the thing about Other People's Kinks is that, though you have to respect their right to indulge them (YKIOK), it's not incumbent upon you to abide by them. I don't have to call your sweetie "mistress aspasia," but I do have to avoid hitting on your monogamously involved SO.

4. I think we've already moved into the era of advertisement as end in itself. You're right on.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:29 pm UTC (link)
1) Love to. Do you know if Cate's gonna be around too, incidentally? Once I have my phone back (I lost it in the Chicago Loop on Saturday and it's currently in the hands of a random UIC student), I'll give you a call.

2) Makes perfect sense. Me, I don't have an opinion as to whether sexual orientation is a race or religion type thing ... and as [info]eisa says, sexual orientation now has so much weirdness attached to it as a concept that I'm starting to move away from it as a good way to characterize, well, anything.

3) Argh. Good point.
... Argh. And I thought I had such a clever comeback.

4) Can you think of any other examples?

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[info]jadasc
2006-12-12 01:05 pm UTC (link)
1. I know it's soon, but I'm not certain.
4. Well, there's that "i love bees" thing that was half advertisement and half LARP -- the whole ARG phenomenon. There was the Burger King "Submissive Chicken" web site, too.

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Sudden Poll!
[info]heliograph
2006-12-10 05:20 pm UTC (link)
When it hurts to type, stop typing. If you can feel it to your elbows it isn't carpal (at least not carpal alone). It sounds like tendinitis. Did you start some new exercise routine lately?

Back in the 20th century they had a lab at MIT with all the adaptive gear you'd need for various problems, including carpal. While there are tons of gadgets, the real secret seemed to be ergonomic posture, ie keep your wrists straight, etc. I'm assuming you're all over that, but if you're not, let me know and I can point you at some info.

Dvorak may actually make your problem worse because it results it less finger movement. What computers really need is a return bar like they had on old typewriters: that would give you enough movement to not damage your hands from repetition.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:30 pm UTC (link)
"Stop typing"! It is to laugh. :grin: Nope, haven't started any new exercise routines ....

I'm doing my best to adopt good posture, with indifferent success. I might actually see if I can get some wrist braces to force my wrists, at least, to stay straight when I type.

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verisimilitude
[info]igor.monksofcool.org
2006-12-10 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Dude A: I think X
Me: I think X is merely a verisimilitude
Dude A: I give up - you win the argument.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:30 pm UTC (link)
The tyranny of big words!

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[info]deaexmachina
2006-12-10 05:54 pm UTC (link)
To the elbows? Look up cubital tunnel syndrome. I was (mis)diagnosed with that at some point.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-12 03:16 am UTC (link)
Huh. Interesting. I do sleep on a bent elbow. Sinister!

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[info]agnoster
2006-12-10 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm a programmer, so I live on my keyboard - no problems yet, but then, I'm 23.

As far as the whole "WTF is mono/poly" thing goes... well, it could be partially orientation. From what I hear, some people are never attracted to people besides their mate, and others are never jealous - those people are pretty much ideally suited to mono or poly relationships, much as someone who is physically attracted to people of the same gender is well suited to homosexual relationships. Someone with this "built-in" inclination doesn't *have* to pursue it - but of course I feel they should have the right to be happy if they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

In other words, a sexual orientation seems to give impulses, while a sexual practice might be a kink? I dunno. I *could* be in a monogamous relationship, sure. And there are many people who, while they prefer sexual partners of their own gender, are in committed relationships with someone of the opposite gender. There's a difference between desire and practice, is I guess what I'm saying, and inasmuch as one can say that being hardwired to be attracted to members of the same gender can be an orientation, one might say that being hardwired for multiple sexual partners can be a sexual orientation.

Now, the only other thing I'd bring up is - what about the poor asexuals? If you're in a poly relationship that's not sexual, is it still a sexual orientation or a kink? (Of course, some people would say "oh, you're just friends then" - because of course relationships are all about sex, and it's impossible for asexual people to find love.)

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[info]anotherthink
2006-12-11 04:26 am UTC (link)
this is where I like the idea of multiple continua... mono/poly, homo/bi/hetero, sexual/asexual can be three independently varying dimensions of sexuality (and then there can be other dimensions corresponding to various kinks, etc.); and this sexuality could be behavioral and/or orientational.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I should clarify that I'm less looking for a way to explain these things realistically, and more looking for a way to get people to respect them. Like ... people, or at least my peeps, usually automatically respect other peoples' kinks, but don't automatically respect other peoples' monogamy. So casting monogamy as a kink was, I thought, a clever way to make people look at it as, "Oh, hey, I guess that's just their weird little thing and none of my business." I sort of had the same agenda with the original sexual orientation post, but I'm starting to think neither approach really works.

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[info]agnoster
2006-12-11 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I meant to mention I thought it worked quite well as a way of explaining, even if it wasn't the most accurate. Guess I forgot :-)

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[info]jadasc
2006-12-12 01:10 pm UTC (link)
So casting monogamy as a kink was, I thought, a clever way to make people look at it as, "Oh, hey, I guess that's just their weird little thing and none of my business."
That's good-hearted and endearingly doomed. I approve. :)

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[info]joaniechachi
2006-12-10 08:34 pm UTC (link)
Good keyboard position should have you holding your hands in much the same position as you would to play piano. Roughly, elbows at 90 degrees or a bit more obtuse, with wrists up (NOT resting on something). I've not had a problem with carpal tunnel, but my mom had a brush with it.

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[info]jonathankorman
2006-12-10 08:52 pm UTC (link)
You may want to look at a SafeType Keyboard. I've been using one the last few years at work. I can't speak for how helpful it is for folks with carpal tunnel, because I don't have carpal tunnel. On the other hand, I haven't developed carpal tunnel, so maybe that's a sign.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Wow, those are crazy-looking! What is it like to go back to a normal keyboard after that?

I'm a hunt-and-pecker, actually (a 90wpm hunt-and-pecker!), and the keyboard apparently requires touch typists, so maybe not so much for me, but I've been thinking maybe I should get to be an actual touch typist, too. :P What do you think?

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[info]jonathankorman
2006-12-11 06:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm actually a switch hitter. I use the SafeType at work, and a normal keyboard at home, where I do much less intensive typing. But yeah, you have to be a touch-typist to use the SafeType, otherwise it will make you crazy.

Touch typing is the one useful thing I learned in middle school. I can't speak for how hard it is to learn if you are a successful hunt-and-peck-er.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 06:04 pm UTC (link)
My middle school tried to teach me to touch type, but I was already so quick at hunt-and-pecking I didn't feel it necessary to learn. Also I have a problem with authority. :grin:

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[info]jonathankorman
2006-12-11 07:29 pm UTC (link)
a problem with authority

I never knew that about you.

:P

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[info]miketodd13
2006-12-12 09:15 pm UTC (link)
I came across those a few years ago, and they looked incredibly cool. How have you found it? I've actually started feeling some soreness in my right wrist recently and fear that it might be CT setting in.

I also seem to recall one of the pilots on an early episode of Battlestar Galactica (the new series, not the old) using a black keyboard of that design in their cockpit.

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[info]jonathankorman
2006-12-12 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I love it. I don't suffer the same typing-too-long fatigue I sometimes used to.

But mind you, I'm an ergonomics loon: I work at a standing desk, and use a large trackpad instead of a mouse. So one of the advantages for me is having people see my desk and boggle at its strangeness.

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[info]mzmartipants
2006-12-10 09:28 pm UTC (link)
What is kink? I looked up the context of which you speak...here is what i found:

"Kink is a term used to refer to unconventional sexual practices such as bondage, domination and submission, and sadomasochism (known collectively as BDSM), and sexual fetishism."

I don't buy into even this definition. It would imply that there are "conventional" sex practices, and Kinsey showed that just isn't the case.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, the way "kink" is generally used within the BDSM subculture is more like "a sexual practice one person uses that no one judges". For instance, if Mistress Aspasia likes to whip her slave, that's nobody else's business -- it's a kink.

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[info]arisrabkin
2006-12-10 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm uneasy with the "mono/poly as kink" thing, and I think you alluded to the reason. People tend to read kink as "private and harmless behavior of 1 to N adults", and therefore beyond criticism. I don't think that's a safe way to understand poly/monogamy. Society has a very substantial interest in what sort of relationships people form. Relationships can easily be abusive, misguided, or simply unwise, and I think that one's friends (society) have a right and a duty to speak up if one is involved in a bad situation (either as the victim or the perpetrator). I think this belief is very common, and is easy to justify.

There isn't a social consensus on when poly (or monogam) is or isn't appropriate, but it clearly sometimes isn't, and it makes sense for there to be social pressure to say "look, you're really not being fair to so-and-so, who isn't comfortable with this."

Consider this: People, we generally believe, have a right to keep their kinks private. It's none of my business if you do BDSM, or how you do it. In contrast, people's relationship status is something we generally think ought to be public. To pick an extreme example: It's generally considered sinister to present oneself as single when one is married. Similar comments apply to dating; it's something outsiders have a reasonable right to know about. Certainly my parents want to know if I'm dating so-and-so, because they treat girlfriends and female friends differently. Calling it a kink is missing the way that people's relationships are part of the social fabric, and not just private. If your relationships are in some sense something outsiders have a right to know about, then they surely would expect to know how many.

Never had a serious problem with carpal tunnel. My hands or wrists are sometimes a little uncomfortable or tingly or sore after a long period typing, particularly in an awkward position, but it's usually not a problem to change posture or whatever and it's fine. I say this as someone who spends most of his time on a computer, and IMs compulsively.

I agree with your comments about advertising. I also have in mind old radio drama where the ad would be embedded as naturally as possible into the drama; the Hines hand cream people sponsered the Gracie Allen for President campaign, which was an extremely funny radio drama. I can imagine similar things today; where the ad is integrated as naturally as possible into a work of art.

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[info]dragonladyflame
2006-12-11 05:44 pm UTC (link)
What if Mistress Aspasia is dragging your friend into a BDSM relationship he isn't comfortable with? Under your rules, wouldn't his friends have the same obligation to speak up as if she were emotionally manipulating him into being poly?

I disagree that relationship status has to be public. I do think that it's morally incumbent upon a married person not to sleep with other people, but they don't have to explain that it's because they're married. As long as they make it clear that they're unavailable, they've done their duty as far as I'm concerned. And although I would be more than happy to explain any relationship to my parents, I don't think that's morally incumbent on everyone, either, any more than it's necessarily morally incumbent on, say, a lesbian to come out to have family.

I think I'd heard of that radio drama -- have you heard it? When did it air?

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[info]arisrabkin
2006-12-11 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I think friends do have some obligation to speak up if someone is being pressed into bondage activities they're not comfortable with. I don't know if it's to the same degree as with poly, though.

If poly means anything, it's that it's legitimate to be involved with multiple people at a time; being romantically or sexually involved -- even for a one night stand -- creates obligations and risks and the like both for the person involved and for all of their partners. And that element of risk and obligation I think makes it a special case.

I agree it's not morally incumbent to explain one's marital or relationship status; I worded that sentence badly. What I meant was that people have a reasonable expectation of knowing, in a way that isn't true for private kinks, not that's it's morally incumbent to tell people.

It aired in 1940 (though it might have been rebroadcast); I heard it on casette tapes. It's aged remarkably well.

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[info]miketodd13
2006-12-12 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Re: Carpal Tunnel. I'm 24, male, and a programmer. I've recently felt some pains in my right wrist, but I'm not entirely sure whether that's a sign of CT, or perhaps from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I suppose both could be contributing factors to the soreness. I'm considering getting a wrist brace for typing, and also possibly a new desk or chair so that I can type at the proper height.

Re: Polyamory/Monogamy as a Kink, are you really trying to get the other person to understand, or to just shut up about it? Because, in my opinion, if someone goes to lengths to question/antagonize another person's tastes, that usually means they're not completely comfortable in their own. Like they have to degrade how the other person is, in order to feel secure in how they are (or how they portray themselves to be). If you're dealing with someone like that, then describing it as a kink probably won't help them to understand it, but it will perhaps get them to see that they have no right to be critical of it, at least.

Re: Advertising, I see it as a mix of lots of things in the future. Certainly more viral ads that are meant to entertain (like the ever-famous John West Salmon "Grizzly Fight" ad). But I think we'll also see more subtle advertising; Jack Bauer having a propensity toward Coca-Cola, Admiral Adama drinking alcohol from a container that just happens to be the stereotypical shape of a bottle of Jack Daniels. There is a whole emerging field of ads forthcoming in computer/console games that will involve showing branded in-game, which does two things at once: makes the games feel more real because you see real-world logos in them, and in online games allows for tracking exactly how many impressions are made.

And apparently, according to that quiz I am "The Tantric Master". Weird; I would have picked myself as the Warrior Monk, or possibly the Philosopher. Hmm, well like most such things, I could probably see myself as half of these.

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